Final Manifesto....Jesus IS Lucifer........
Greetings and Salutations, I have decided to deliver this, my final manifesto on a topic that I have spent a great deal of time researching.Unlike other blogs that will lure you in with provocative headlines, only to let you down, I promise this entry will leave you wondering and talking for some time to come.
It is my hypothesis that Jesus Christ was/is Lucifer.Now, before you leave or skip past this in disgust , I would like to offer you a challenge.The challenge is this , if you can refute anything that I include in this post, I will retract it and issue an apology to everyone.I say that Jesus was Lucifer for multiple reasons.However, before I go into those reasons, I would just like to go over some background on these two entities.
Lucifer, also referred to as Satan, or the Devil, is a character in the Bible.Although the thought of the Devil, or Satan, conjures up thoughts of an evil,repulsive beast , Lucifer is everything the contrary.Lucifer was an Angel. As a matter of Fact, he was one of God's favorite and most trustworthy angel .He was said to have powers comparable to God.This fact would be the source of the conflict involving Lucifer.I will elaborate more when I make my case.
Jesus Christ needs no explanation. He was the prophet, or messiah, in the Bible that is the focal point of the Christian movement or Christianity.He was said to be the son of God and has even gained greater statue in the Christian faith, because he is commonly referred to as God. Jesus' name has become synonymous with God and his name is often interchangeable with God's name, or his being.
Now comes the good part.It is my opinion that Jesus Christ is Lucufer. I make this statement based on the following: Lucifer was God's favorite angel, and envied God because he(Lucifer) was not God.This caused a conflict between Lucifer and God in which God made a challenge to Lucifer. The challenge was that God was to give Lucifer reign and dominion over a world in which Lucifer was given 2000 years in order to gain total power and control over it's inhabitance.God made a promise to Lucifer that if Lucifer could have all of the world's inhabitance worship him and him alone,without anyone left that still worshipped God,he( God) would give Lucifer equal status in Heaven .Lucifer was then cast down from heaven and allowed to reign for 2000 years.The Bible does not state when the 2000 years began, or when it ends.
Enter Jesus H. Christ(Just kidding about the H).Jesus was said to have been born of immaculate conception.This could be explained because Jesus/Lucifer is an angel and does not need to be born of this world. However ,he did need to give the perception that he was a human being. This is all part of his grand deception, his master plan. Furthermore, Jesus/Lucifer,was born with the ability to defy natural laws and perform miracles, abilities angles are said to also possess.Jesus /Lucifer spoke in parables because he left it up to people to interpret his teachings,as to not be guilty of lying to achieve his ultimate goal.While on Earth , Jesus/Lucifer performed numerous miracles which all could also be accomplished by angles.He was known to praise God,this would be consistent with Lucifer,God's favorite angel.
I could go on and on, but I will start to tie up all the loose ends .Jesus was/is Lucifer because Lucifer's main objective is to have the whole world worshipping him within 2000 years. When Jesus "died", the calendar started over to keep time from the point of his death, hence AD(Anno Domini),year of our lord.Although Jesus himself said that he was NOT GOD, followers and worshipers have somehow made him God. Also , Christianity was literally forced on millions of people through the savage Crusades . These bloody and barbaric movements were used to force people to accept Christianiy , or face sudden , brutal death.Millions were savagely slaughtered during the two Crusades, and Christianity was forced on millions more.Slavery, another shameful and savage movement, was justified by using Christianity as the reason to enslave and convert Africans.The KKK is an organization that prides itself as evangelists who are devout Christians, and follow the Bible to the letter of the law.I could cite many, many more examples of how Christianity was forced on the human race, however I think you might know more about this than I do.
Today, we find ourselves in a "Holy War", in which Christians are at it again. They know that their time is short and they have to force open countries that still hold on to the "ONE GOD"theory , and force Christianity on them through the front of "Freedom" and "Democracy".This is evident in Iraq, where Christianity is being taught to the young children, so that it is guranteed to be accepted and spread throughout the culture.After all, Lucifer would'nt want to lose this bet because a few stubborn Mullahs and Imams are still holding on to the ancient concept and teachings of one God!
It is my hypothesis that Jesus Christ was/is Lucifer.Now, before you leave or skip past this in disgust , I would like to offer you a challenge.The challenge is this , if you can refute anything that I include in this post, I will retract it and issue an apology to everyone.I say that Jesus was Lucifer for multiple reasons.However, before I go into those reasons, I would just like to go over some background on these two entities.
Lucifer, also referred to as Satan, or the Devil, is a character in the Bible.Although the thought of the Devil, or Satan, conjures up thoughts of an evil,repulsive beast , Lucifer is everything the contrary.Lucifer was an Angel. As a matter of Fact, he was one of God's favorite and most trustworthy angel .He was said to have powers comparable to God.This fact would be the source of the conflict involving Lucifer.I will elaborate more when I make my case.
Jesus Christ needs no explanation. He was the prophet, or messiah, in the Bible that is the focal point of the Christian movement or Christianity.He was said to be the son of God and has even gained greater statue in the Christian faith, because he is commonly referred to as God. Jesus' name has become synonymous with God and his name is often interchangeable with God's name, or his being.
Now comes the good part.It is my opinion that Jesus Christ is Lucufer. I make this statement based on the following: Lucifer was God's favorite angel, and envied God because he(Lucifer) was not God.This caused a conflict between Lucifer and God in which God made a challenge to Lucifer. The challenge was that God was to give Lucifer reign and dominion over a world in which Lucifer was given 2000 years in order to gain total power and control over it's inhabitance.God made a promise to Lucifer that if Lucifer could have all of the world's inhabitance worship him and him alone,without anyone left that still worshipped God,he( God) would give Lucifer equal status in Heaven .Lucifer was then cast down from heaven and allowed to reign for 2000 years.The Bible does not state when the 2000 years began, or when it ends.
Enter Jesus H. Christ(Just kidding about the H).Jesus was said to have been born of immaculate conception.This could be explained because Jesus/Lucifer is an angel and does not need to be born of this world. However ,he did need to give the perception that he was a human being. This is all part of his grand deception, his master plan. Furthermore, Jesus/Lucifer,was born with the ability to defy natural laws and perform miracles, abilities angles are said to also possess.Jesus /Lucifer spoke in parables because he left it up to people to interpret his teachings,as to not be guilty of lying to achieve his ultimate goal.While on Earth , Jesus/Lucifer performed numerous miracles which all could also be accomplished by angles.He was known to praise God,this would be consistent with Lucifer,God's favorite angel.
I could go on and on, but I will start to tie up all the loose ends .Jesus was/is Lucifer because Lucifer's main objective is to have the whole world worshipping him within 2000 years. When Jesus "died", the calendar started over to keep time from the point of his death, hence AD(Anno Domini),year of our lord.Although Jesus himself said that he was NOT GOD, followers and worshipers have somehow made him God. Also , Christianity was literally forced on millions of people through the savage Crusades . These bloody and barbaric movements were used to force people to accept Christianiy , or face sudden , brutal death.Millions were savagely slaughtered during the two Crusades, and Christianity was forced on millions more.Slavery, another shameful and savage movement, was justified by using Christianity as the reason to enslave and convert Africans.The KKK is an organization that prides itself as evangelists who are devout Christians, and follow the Bible to the letter of the law.I could cite many, many more examples of how Christianity was forced on the human race, however I think you might know more about this than I do.
Today, we find ourselves in a "Holy War", in which Christians are at it again. They know that their time is short and they have to force open countries that still hold on to the "ONE GOD"theory , and force Christianity on them through the front of "Freedom" and "Democracy".This is evident in Iraq, where Christianity is being taught to the young children, so that it is guranteed to be accepted and spread throughout the culture.After all, Lucifer would'nt want to lose this bet because a few stubborn Mullahs and Imams are still holding on to the ancient concept and teachings of one God!
As told by God to Wayne World at 10:30 AM
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If Jesus wins this little bet, then he will have equal status with God . Don't worry, he won't win this bet .I'm willing to bet anything on it!
Oh....sorry I did'nt answer your question. If Jesus wins the bet , then those that don't worship him will be alright, as long as they worship God. He will have equal power with God so, I guess they will both rule , kinda like Christianity now........
But Imara....I think God did offer to share his rule with Lucifer.I think it's the kind of sucker bet where you know that the other guy is'nt going to win so you bet something ridiculous.I think those that don't worship Jesus and he wins will be damned into a fiery pit of scalding lava and burning brimstone,only to be devoured by flesh eating succubuss and demons from the slimey netherworld........Just kidding, I don't know what will happen, all I know that there is only ONE GOD.I am not about to start to worship something else.
Man, damn, what's up with comments today? Interesting take, soundboyz. The only drawback that I have is the comments about the mullahs, etal. Are you actually saying that Muslims are the lesser of the EVIL religions? Sorry, but that just doesn't add up. As far back as Islam does go, there has never been a peaceful conversion to Islam in a country. If this is the one G_d concept, I'll hang my hat with Jesus/Lucifer. Even by your standards, if J/L wins, we all go to Heaven. Everyone goes to Heaven. So, I see no problem. But, if the One G_d crowd wins, then half of the people go to Hell? Still go with J/L. Soooooo.
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Two Dogs.....I was just kidding when I said that everyone will go to heaven.To be honest. I don't know, but I think Imara is right when she said that God would not share his power. I got it, Those that worship Jesus will be left on earth where he will rule.You see what a lovely job he's doing now , wait, it should get better.
soundboyz: your arguement is flawed in that you only want to beleive certain things in the bible. either you beleive in the miracles and what not, or you dont. theres no in between. the bible says jesus and god are the same thing, the same person, not 2 seperate entities.
OK xplicit, what miracle from the Bible did I not believe in? Jesus himself said that he was NOT GOD. So how the FUCK am I picking and choosing what to believe in?You don't even make fucking sense. First off, if you read the thing again, I did not question ANY miracles. I said Jesus and GOD were two different entities because the bible says that they're two different entities,Because Jesus himself says that they're two different entities. When Jesus was crucified(like me), Who did he call out to? Exactly.....they were TWO different beings.Jesus said, I am NOT GOD!!!Explain that shit!!!! All i'm saying here is that I think that Jesus was Lucifer .I said Lucifer was capable of performing miracles. You miss the whole point....Read the fuckin TITLE!!!!!!!
what im saying is - u do beleive the miracles but you do not beleive in the mystery of the holy trinity - that the old man, junior and the spook are the same thing but not at the same time.
The same thing , but not at the same time? Dude, now you're not making any sense.What the fuck is the holy ghost? I thought that was GOD?I'm confused, I think the Holy Trinity is a pyramid scheme to get people to worship more than one GOD. God said in the Old Testament that there is only ONE God, he is omnipotant.Why would he have a change of heart and make three different versions of himself.If you are saying that God is in all of us, then I can understand that,but if you are telling me that God is three different things, then I say to you, I'll just stick with the God I KNOW!! Besides, I'm leary of anything that sounds too good to be true. What I mean is that you can live your whole life as a scumbag or murderer, then you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior and you are suddenly "saved". That sounds like some get out of jail free type shit to me. No wonder Christians are so vile.They think they can do whatever they please and be saved cause Jesus shed his blood for our sins. I think they misunderstood the whole symbolism of his sacrifice.They're taking shit too literally.
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Damn, I finally get to the computer, comments work, and I choke. (NO HOMO) I do like the theory, but I am too damn drunk and I gotta get up early in the morning to roll down to Alcorn. Holla.
I hope you have a safe one Two Dogs.We can always continue this later.Peace.
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Interesting point, never thought of it that way. But there are some errors in it.
1. Anno Domine was not started after Jesus died, it was said to start the day he was born.
2. What about the temptation of Christ. The time he spent up against Lucifer? I suppose it could have been faked, but I doubt it.
3. Jesus is God. He is God incarnated into a mans body. The Holy Spirit is God's soul, hence the Holy trinity.
4. God has been known to make bets with Lucifer, but I doubt he would suffer another in his seat. And what happened to the war between Lucifer and God? Wasnt he cast down and deprived of much of his power
5. The bet has already ended I think. It's been two thousand years by now. Unless he was planning ahead or something, but it could take place no alter than two thousand years after the bible was written, and unlikely before the old testament was written. Satan was tempting Humans from the beginning of time according to the Bible(Adam and Eve), so I think the bet is over. You might have a point if you said that Lucifer is knowledge and God does not wish anyone to have it. Throughout time Lucifer has offered knowledge, and God has offered a place to go when you die in return for ignorance.
6. You are right about what Christians can think, about the sacrifice, but Lucifer hasnt accomplished anything yet. If Jesus were born today he would be murdered. The religious right would label him a crazy liberal who wants to bring peace and communisim. The hypocrites who pay lip service would be disocered. They dont give a damn about Jesus' teachings. The parable of the hypocrites in the temple has no meaning to Jerry Falwell. They claim to be the "moral majority" but they see nothing but their own ambition. Christianity is dead, they do worship satan because they scorn the teachings of God, so maybe he has done something.
7. You are right about the Crusades, a move by the papacy, the one that sent Christianity on it's downward spiral. If anything is a tool of the devil, its the papacy. Not always the pope(the current one is a true christian, whatever that means) but the people around him. They set him up as a kings, against the King of kings. They label him as the incarnation of God, but that is borderline heresy. They use him to further their own gains. The papacy declares holy-wars against people because they are different. They ignore the most important part of Jesus' teachings and make war instead of peace. Crusade is a positive adjective, jihad(the same thing, only arabic) is a negative one. People clamoring about the immorality of one side, have no care for Jesus, paying lipservice because that is what they were taught to do. I dont know if Jesus is Lucifer, but something is, all that is good is always corrupted first.
Interesting view, never thought of it I must say.
O.K Anonymous(Yea Right).......Well Anno Domine is listed on google as "after the birth of Christ". This supports my arguement even more. The fact that Time started over because of Jesus' birth is even more proof that his existance is relative to time.
Secondly, the temptation of Christ....Right.....Well,Jesus was supposedly "alone" in the Desert for Forty days and forty nights.Who the hell was there to give a first hand account of what took place. Did Jesus dictate this event to the scribes and elders? Could he have been halucinating due to his insane stint in the desert? Was he conflicted within himself, thus fighting with the good and evil within us all.Remember , if he was Lucifer,he was torn between loyalty to God , and his own selfish desires.
Next,The Holy Trinity was a concept that was introduced to the Bible some 300+ years after the death of Christ. It was introduced into the Bible by the Trinitarian Church after they Destroyed all the manuscripts that came before this time!
OK, I previously said that there was a war between God and Lucifer,so we are saying the same thing.He was deprived of some of his powers, Not all. So , he would still be able to turn water into Jesus juice , and other cheap tricks like that.
The bet is not OVER now, The real calendar is the Ethiopian Calendar, and it is currently in the year 1994. Sooooooo......You have six years to get your shit together!!!!!
I am strictly going by when the calendar started over. I don't doubt that Satan/Lucifer was around before that. I am saying that the bet started once homeboy reached earth in human form.
Exactly what i'm saying. Somehow they have taken Jesus' teachings and have manipulated them to commit unspeakable acts.Jesus spoke in parables, so these ass cracks took it to mean whatever it is that suit their wicked agenda!Like our President for instance, he forgot the part of the Bible that clearly states to LOVE your enemy.At least give them the respect that you would afford any human being. Also, he is judgmental of all types of folks. Jesus' teachings clearly states that one is not to judge. Especially his coke snorting , pot smoking, booze drinking ass!OOps...Sorry did'nt mean to judge....
Lastly , I agree with you totally, The Pope, and anyone else that speaks for God , is being hypocritical. They cannot speak for God, nor can they put themselves in a position of being moral or immoral.That is for God , and God alone to judge.I am very leary of the Catholic Church though, not because of the sex scandals , but because I have always had a gut reaction that that Church just reminds me of Devil worship.Not that I know anything about that, but do you know when deep down inside you get a feeling from something? Well....The feeling I get from the Catholic Church has always been evil. Kind of Damien Omen,Exorcist, Poltergeist type s*#t.And I'm OUT!!!!!...............BOOOOO!
Well, for one, about teh temptation of Christ...it was a temptation by the devil. Christ and Lucifer are not the same. The reason it does not make sense that they are is because it was in the bible. check this for a second...if the bible is from God as one who reads it believes why would God make one believe that Jesus, his son, is the devil to confuse it's readers? True, certain things in the bible need some decyphering, but God has no reason trick people in this case.
Two...soundboyz is exactly right about the trinity, it was concocted by a random church. God is God, Jesus is his son, and the holy spirit is the power that God uses to do the things he does.
and agreed pretty much all religions are full of it. They teach things and don't even follow what they teach. Actions speak louder then words, and they are all words.
Though, Soundboyz, you also stated in one of your comments that it shouldn't be that one should be able to sin like a mo fo and then repent liek nothing happened. That is true only if you look at it to the standpoint that this privilege of being able to repent is misused. Like say I slap an old lady, repent, slap her again, repent, steal a car, repent...etc etc. It is not something that was meant to be abused. One who sins and truly repents and does their best to not sin again, though pretty much impossible because people are sinful and thus need God's rulership. I think that's the whole point of the evil in teh world. It's basically God saying, dude u guys want to have "knowledge" and rule yourselves, go ahead, but it ain't gonna be like when I rule.
Didnt know that about the trinity, guess that's what you get by being taught religion in a church.
Same thing goes for the Ethiopian calendar, I had completly forgotten about that.
I always thought that Lucifer was deprived of all his angellic powers, he only had left the "evil" part of him. He could manipulate people and such, and was perhaps the smarter of the two(he was contsantly tricking God into bets and making him alienate the people who worshiped him) I suppose he still had some powers though. I am beginning to think that you are right, but I dont know if disregarding Jesus' teachings because of this is a good Idea. He taught the world to be more tolerant, and to love eachother. I find it hard to believe Lucifer would do that, and even if it was him, it is better advice than the mass extinctions to the infidels in the old testament. We shouldnt worship him, but it doesnt mean he wasnt right. And in terms of the desert, you are right, it could have been faked, and it could have been a hallucination. It could have been a lot of things, I dont really know myself. I have never thought of this. Nice argument.
OK ....Geekbird, The OLD Testament is supposedly from God , and not all of it either. The temptation is in the New Testament, which has been ,screwed with numerous times throughout history.As a matter of fact , the New Testament was NOT written until hundreds of years AFTER Jesus' death.My point is that only Jesus was in the desert to witness this. Unless Jesus dictated it to a scribe,how can the Bible contain a first hand account?God is not trying to deceive us, Lucifer is trying to deceive us.
Geekbird, I really think you should stick to what you're really, really good at.........Geekbirddom.
Hey Anonymous(Yea Right)
I am not trying to tell anyone to disregard Jesus' teachings. I am merely stating that people are misusing Jesus and his teachings to commit unspeakable sins. See, if Jesus is Lucifer, then he would not need to lie to the people. He would speak in parables and then let people screw it up in their understanding of it.Remember that if Jesus is Lucifer, he would preach love and kindness and all that good stuff because Lucifer is an angel. However, he would answer things and speak in parables as to let the individuals own inner being come out.If you are an evil soul, you would translate things to reflect your inner feelings. It's like President Bush. He is just like the Devil in that he tells you what he's all about and what he's going to do.It is up to the individual to make out of it what they will.He also talks both sides of an issue and leaves it up to you to derive from it what you want.Hmmmmm........Topic for my next(real last) Manifesto......Bush is Lucifer...
>Geekbird, I really think you should stick to what you're really, really good at.........Geekbirddom.
agreed... JOIN PROJECT GEEKBIRD OR DIE!!!
>Bush is Lucifer...
now THATS more like it
Thats more like it. Djxplicit is already reppin' project geekbird lovely. However, you don't want overexposure, this actually can work against your career. Look at Brad Pitt.
it's true, I do have the charisma and sex appeal of Brad Pitt (no homo) but I disagree, I do want to be over exposed (no homo).
all of you are idiots for misunderstanding me around 8 million times. i said that you DO beleive in the miracles but DONT beleive in other essential parts (i.e. the mystery of whatever the fuck, in which it is stated that god and jesus are the same but not also. soundboyz: your arguement is flawed in a very basic sense since you try to aply logic to religion. faith is an absence of logic.
Xplicit.....You sound confused right now.God and Jesus are the same , but not?......Let's try NOT!!! They are two distinct entities! Jesus is NOT GOD and Visa versa. Why can't you understand that. This concept of the Holy Trinity was introduced into the New Testament some 300+ years AFTER the death of Christ. It was put into the Bible by the Trinitarian Church after they destroyed ALL the documents that existed prior to this.This is a man made concept. God did not speak of this concept.Faith is a absence of logic, not sanity.
Also, are you on medication? You sound groggy and confused.
" I would gladly live a life of kindness and compassion towards all things living and go to hell because I didn't accept Jesus as God.....than To accept Jesus as God, go to heaven, but live a life of depravity and evil"...............Soundboyz 2005.
Yes, I am a man of conviction.I've been convicted of grand larceny back in 88, I was convicted of lewd and lacivious behavior in 92. They dropped the assault charges from 94.I was convicted of indecent exposure in 95& 97, and I was convicted of assault and battery in 98. I am a man of conviction, many , strong convictions!So much that they used to call me "convict".Shit.....I need Jesus!!!!
Yessss...Thank you . Amen sistah.
>The OLD Testament is supposedly from God , and not all of it either. The temptation is in the New Testament, which has been ,screwed with numerous times throughout history
To get back on this subject...Soundboyz, speaking of the old testament, the entire old testament was a prophecy about a messiah to come to save sinful mankind. Who is this messiah then? Jesus is the only person I can think of.
Yea Geekbird.....Messiah means messenger, not GOD!!! I am not questioning the existance of Jesus, I am just saying he's not GOD!!!I am further making the case that he could be Lucifer, the fallen angel. So , to clear things up, I think Jesus was not GOD and that he could be Lucifer trying to trick people to worship him. When the mailman brings you a bill in the mail, you don't pay him, do you?
Soundboyz,
I agree, as I stated in one of my above comments that Jesus is not God, but the son of God. I am not questioning that. But we're looking at Genesis thru Malachi, which is a grip of books, that are prophecizing (sp?) a messenger to come. Who is this messenger? Do you also not believe in Jesus as the ransom sacrifice for the sins of mankind? In terms of the mailman analogy I think God would be the mailman, and the message would be Jesus...actually I have no idea how that would work, forget I said that. Look forward to your feedback
Soundboyz,
BTW, I'm not trying to start a heated exchange, just trying to hear out your opinion.
> Soundboyz,
BTW, I'm not trying to start a heated exchange, just trying to hear out your opinion.
Naw...FUCK THAT!!!!! You ARE Trying to.......Naw.....JK!!!! I know geekbird. I have read your blog enough to know that you are not an angry , confrontational person. I understand your questions, and I have thought about these very same questions also. I'm not claming to know the answers, but by us discussing it, we might learn some things and come to a better understanding of whats really going on. So, keep the debate alive Geekbird. I know you probably don't have a mean bone in your body(no Homo), so I couldn't think you were starting stuff. I know you're not TWO DOGS!!!!!!
>So, keep the debate alive
I'm trying to dude, I dont think you read my other response...the one right above where I said I'm not trying to start a heated exchange. I'm awaiting that response.
>Who is this messenger? Do you also not believe in Jesus as the ransom sacrifice for the sins of mankind?
I am not familiar with this , I have to read up on it and respond.But keep in mind , that man wrote the Bible,old and new testament!!
There is no god no lucifer ...
But i would think you wild find it intresting .. that lucifer is in fact only based on babylonian king that died and tormented isralies..
So he was added to the bible as lucifer .. its not more complicated then that ...
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You guys are stupid you no if you sat down and read the bible aka (Mat 4:1-11) It says that Jesus was tempted for 40 days by Satan so explain that to me why would Jesus tempt himself, second Jesus does say he is God. (what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?)John 10:36(God,Jesus, Holy Spirit are all one in the same). Why would Satan come down and tell us to love our neighbors, to turn the other cheek. This is to the writer cause its very good persuasion how every time you said Jesus did something you put lucifer after it so instead of Jesus spoke in parables you are left with lucifer spoke in parables so that would be cool if this was a different topic but its not.OH Don't go searching on the Internet for questions about Other religions its best to go talk to someone even then depending where you go you may get the wrong answer so i don't know. About the Crusades those were bad that was a Catholic thing and I do no all the facts on those so go ask a Catholic. So if someone already saids this thats cool but i wasn't gonna read through all those comments. So if haven't figured yet I'm a Christian and Jesus is lord Holy Trinity so I'm just a young Christian trying to defend his faith and faith of a lot of other people. I don't no where you guys get your info from but it sounds like you watched Constantine and some other sources to get the basis for your opinion Ok so that all I'm saying
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